Sunday, 19 July 2015

האם Yesuha למלא את כתבי הקודשהיהודים למשיח ?

Did Yesuha fulfil the Jewish Scriptures for Messiah?

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It is legitimate to say that Jesus (Yeshua) did not fulfill all the messianic prophesies, and this lack of fulfillment is the basis for a split between Christianity and Judaism. This segment is not to examine every messianic prophecy, because that can be found by doing a general search on the internet.Instead, this is to look at HOW the messianic plan was meant to be carried out.Did Jesus do what he was supposed to do, or did he fall short of his mission?
The Moshiach- What Jews Expect
The moshiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The moshiach is often referred to as “moshiach ben David” (moshiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15), and ushers in a time of peace on earth. But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the moshiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person’s lifetime, then that person will be the moshiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the moshiach, then that person is not the moshiach.
Did Jesus miss it?
Jesus (Yeshua) was born into a Jewish family. He was a rabbi. He was well aware of the scriptures and the expectations of the Jews. So if he was the messiah, why did he not fulfill those prophesies which would meet their expectations? He certainly did miraculous works, and witnesses testify of his death and resurrection.
He knew the messiah was to be the prince of peace, so where was the peace? When he rose from the dead, why didn’t he establish peace on earth then? That would have been the best time, and would have convinced everyone. Why didn’t he defeat the Romans and take over the throne in Israel? Had he only come to suffer, die and leave, allowing his people to remain in the hands of their enemies? What kind of redemption was that?
Did Jesus know what he was doing? As enlightened as he was, as evidenced by his demonstrated wisdom and teachings, we would expect him to carefully reconsider suffering through a crucifixion, if that would not accomplish God’s purpose in the messiah. Why did he resist being declared an earthly king when the Jews wanted him to take that position? If there was supposed to be peace on earth with an earthly king, why did he say his kingdom was not of this world? This sounds very spiritual, but has no practical use to people who need to be saved from their enemies. Was his purpose to frustrate the Jews, and die as a failure?
Did Jesus know what he was doing? Was there a plan that he was following, that he expected those familiar with scriptures to recognize? What plan was he following? Why did he say he would be back later? Where he get the idea he was supposed to make 2 trips to accomplish the divine plan for the messianic kingdom? Was he way off, or right on schedule?
There is evidence from the Book of Daniel that the Messiah was to come to regain the kingdom (lost in the Garden of Eden by Adam) for the saints, and then turn it over to the saints, who would possess it, and struggle against Satan to keep it. In a final battle, the Messiah would return to join with the saints, to finally defeat the enemy and secure the kingdom forever in a royal democracy.
Messiah in 2 trips
In the book of Daniel, chapter 7, the vision of the 4 great beasts has just been given. In verse 9, the Ancient of Days is seated on his throne. The first beast is slain and the rest of the beasts have their dominion taken away, for “a season and a time.” Verses 13-14 describe the Son of Man (Messiah) coming before the Ancient of Days :
Son of man receives kingdom in heaven
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed.
Here we seethe kingdom being given apparently in heaven, not on earth, to the Son of man, who is the messiah.Davidis given an interpretation, and told in verse 18:
The saints then take the kingdom
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Now, since the saints of the Most High just received the kingdom, they must have gotten it from the one who had it before them, which is the Son of Man (Messiah). They are possibly administrating it on his behalf, after a transfer of some sort, or it is now just theirs. The saints would be those who are faithful to the Son of Man. In verses 19-20, the fourth beast has come to power, and has 10 horns on his head, and one horn which has conquered 3 other horns. It then says in verse 21:
The fourth beast attacks the saints
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Now the kingdom is in jeopardy, with the horn apparently winning, until verse 22:
Ancient of Days judges in favor of the saints
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
The kingdom, all along, was meant to belong to the saints of the Most High, and the Messiah has an important role in making this happen. We are not looking at an absolute monarchy, but a royal democracy, where the people share in the kings’ authority.
Verse 27 says:
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
This is also confirmed in Micah 4:8
And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
Notice this does not say the kingdom will come to one man alone, the messiah. The kingdom is coming to the nation of Israel as a whole.
Isaiah 60 tells of the glory that will come to Israel:
1 “Arise, shine; for your light has come, And the glory of the LORD has risen upon you. 
2 “For behold, darkness will cover the earth And deep darkness the peoples; But the LORD will rise upon you And His glory will appear upon you. 
3 “Nations will come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising. 
4 “Lift up your eyes round about and see; They all gather together, they come to you. Your sons will come from afar, And your daughters will be carried in the arms. 
5 “Then you will see and be radiant, And your heart will thrill and rejoice; Because the abundance of the sea will be turned to you, The wealth of the nations will come to you.
The Messiah “breaks” the beast
However, the Messiah is still active in his government. Although it says, during the time of the beast, the Ancient of Days “makes a judgment in favor of the saints to possess the kingdom,” in Daniel 7:23, it also says the beast has to deal with the Prince of Princes (the Messiah) in Daniel 8:25. We see the beast “broken” by the Prince:
…. he [the beast] shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand[human means].
Since the Son of Man is in heaven in chapter 7, he would have to return to protect the saints against the beast in chapter 8.
Why Messiah not on earth when beast first attacks
In the 70 weeks prophesy, in Daniel 9:25 , it predicts that the Messiah shall be cut off (killed):
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Here, it appears that the Messiah will not be around when the beast (evil prince) comes to destroy the saints and the city, since he has been “cut off.”
If one looks to Micah, we see the rest of the explanation. The latter days begin in chapter 4, with the remnant returning, the nations coming against Israel, and the (spiritual) birth pangs begin. The The“season and a time” allowed by the Ancient of Daysin Daniel 7:12 seems to be over, and the main enemy, the Assyrian (beast) is back in chapter 5. This is a new restored Israel, whose horn is made of “iron,” and its hooves are made of “bronze.” (Micah 4:13) It is not the enslaved Israel that was in submission to the Romans. It is one ready for battle with the law firmly in place (Micah 4:2).
In Micah 5:2, it says
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.
Traditionally, this has been interpreted as a description of the messiah’s predicted birthplace. But as one reviews the “current events” just described, it also takes on a spiritual meaning as well. Restored Israel is going through birth pangs for its Messiah.The one who was physically born there needs to show up “from everlasting.” The review of past and present come together in the next verse:
Micah 5:3 Therefore will he will he [Messiah] give them up, until the time [that] she [Israel] which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
Finally peace with Messiah present on earth
Messiah was cut off in Daniel 9:26, but “not for himself,” so he is cut off for whom, and why? It says here in Micah 5:3 that the Messiah gave them up, or delivered them up [to be scattered] until the birth pangs started. He is waiting for them to cry out for him. This indicates there is an interruption in time. Now, Israel has travailed and brought forth physically in 1948, and spiritually, while under attack of her enemies. The presence of the faithful remnant brings forth the Messiah. This is a spiritual rebirth as well as a physical one. It is the return and the cry of the remnant that brings the Messiah back from everlasting, where He has been waiting for them. Finally, there is peace:
Micah 5:4-5 And he [Messiah] shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
And this [man] shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
Notice that it is a united effort of Messiah and his people that defeat the Assyrian. This is because the saints share in rule with their Messiah. They finally, and fully, understand and step into their spiritual birthright – the kingdom. The Messiah was predicted, then, to make 2 trips, in order to first establish his kingdom on a spiritual level, be “cut off” by his own people, and then return to establish it on a physical one, once the Jews accepted him.
However, that is not all.More about the timing of the 2 trips.
The “Messiah” was to come after the Diaspora was brought back to Israel. The “Branch” will come and save Israel.
Jer 23:3And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jer 23:4And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:5¶Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
A hint from Jesus that the diaspora was still in effect at his first coming
Mat 10:5¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I (Jesus) am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
A hint from apostle Peter about then current diaspora
1Pe 1:1¶Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers (pilgrims) scattered (diaspora) throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Peter was writing to the Jews outside of Israel in what is modern day Turkey.
So, Did Jesus show up too soon?
No.As noted above, the kingdom first had to be received by the Son of Man. So, all Jesus was supposed to do the first time was obtain the kingdom from the Ancient of Days, which occurred after he returned to heaven, not while he was on earth.TheDiaspora was still real when Jesus came as the Son of Man. So it was not “time” for the Messiah to defend Israel. He had to wait until all Israel was back in the land.
Once the saints received the kingdom from Jesus, they would have to defend it until His return. Again, there is a 2 trip concept here.The first trip was to obtain the kingdom, and establish it spiritually, putting it in the hands of the saints.The second trip was to protect the kingdom, and establish it physically on earth.
Final confirmation of Daniel by Isaiah.
Isa 52:8Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall return to Zion.
Isa 52:9Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
Isa 52:13Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high
***The Jews are told that they will see the Lord eye to eye, that means in person, when the Lord returns toZion.This implies that the Lord would have to be inphysical form to be seen eye to eye.This means that theLord is the servant- Messiah-Redeemer that they have been waiting for.
.This means he has been there before, and is returning toZion.So far, only one individual meets this description, if he “returns.”His name is Jesus (Yashua).
Another point of disagreement is the divinity of Messiah. Did the scriptures describe a man or a supernatural being who was to come?
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Also, there seemed to be unfulfilled prophesies at the time of Jesus, because people did not understand the divine plan. To see the unfulfilled prophecies, which Jews use to express a disbelief in Jesus..
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83 Responses to “Did Jesus fulfill the Jewish Scriptures for Messiah?”

  1. Jesus Christ fulfilled every commandment and covered every sin in his blood when he willingly died for us on the cross. But why would christ die for sinners? For it was because of his love that he would die for us as sinners, so that we may be born again spiritually and be his sons and daughters. “For Christ so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through Him it might be saved. For the scriptures say, “I can’t wait for the day when you no longer call me master but Father, for we will be seated in heavenly places with our Lord.
    Joseph said this on February 13, 2008 at 10:09 am | Reply
  2. Thank you for this. I have many questions about the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Questions on how to explain to family and acquintances that are Jewish about the Messiah, Is He Jesus? Why did he not fulfill prophecy? did He fulfull prophecy? Will the Jews if they are the chosen people of God will be saved?
    Thank you.
    Hope to hear back from you. Enjoyed this website.
    Sonia said this on March 16, 2008 at 3:36 am | Reply
    • Part of the problem explaining Messiah to Jews is that the Romans took away His Jewish garments, including His talit, and dressed Him up in Roman garment similar to the ones used ny their annoited one, Cesar.
      Shofar said this on March 2, 2014 at 2:39 am | Reply
    • Sonia, Yeshua, whose name means salvation, is in effect the promised Jewish Messiah. Its just that He first came to fulfill some prophecy as Moshiach Ben Yosef. He paid the debts incurred by Israel, His betrothed and He paid the bridal price. He also made it possible for Gentiles as wild olive branches to be grafted into the natural olive tree, Israel.
      Israel is still His chosen bride and nothing in the world will change that, when Yeshua returns as Moshiach Ben David he will fulfill the remaining prophecies. It wont be long now. Look at the red moon tetrads and the pope identifying himself with Francisco, (Pedro) thus fulfilling the Petrus Romanus prophecy of the last pope. Things are about to happen.
      Shoshana said this on April 6, 2014 at 12:39 am | Reply
  3. Sonia,
    Thank you for your comment. This had troubled me for about 10 years because my family background is Jewish even though I was raised as a Christian. I felt somehow the Jews had been tricked into not accepting their Messiah, which would have been an awful thing for God to do.
    Jesus did exactly what he was supposed to do. He really was to come and then leave, and then return.
    Just like today, people were not deep into the scriptures like they should have been, and relied on what happened once a week for understanding. And the leadership was too concerned with money and power to go deep enough to see what was to be expected of their Messiah.
    I went looking for the answer to the question – was the Messiah supposed to come twice, and so I found what you see. Casual reading is ok, but it really helps to have certain questions in mind when you read the bible.
    The issue of the Messiah having a divine or supernatural nature was also one for the Jews, yet there were scriptures showing that also. See the link about Jesus as the son of God.
    God bless you.
    marianne said this on March 16, 2008 at 10:20 am | Reply
  4. Marianne-
    The Jewish community is in an uproar, because Jews ARE turning to Jesus/Yeshua, as their Messiah!
    There is a book I think would be excellent, as a source of information to find out WHY Jews (TODAY) reject Yeshua. One must remember, that Yeshua was born and raised a Jew, had a Jewish Mother, a Jewish earthly father, ALL of His disciples were Jews, and MNAY MANY JEWS DID BELIEVE the gospel message, while He was here on earth. The fallacy that Jews rejected Yeshua while He was here on earth, is bure bunk.
    But the fact that Jews are turning to Yeshua is upsetting the Jewish Community. I recommnd you read the book: “26 Reasons Jews Don’t Believe In Jesus”. I recommend it ONLY as research material. I’ve read it, and their “argument” is weak, and based on misunderstood scriptures- both New Testament (Brit Chadasha) and the Tanakh.
    Chag Sameach! Happy Passover-
    Amber
    Amber Michelle said this on April 4, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Reply
    • Jesus was a Jew, he lived and died a Jew. He was never ever called Christ when on this earth. Also if Jewish faith forbids blood to be eaten why did Jesus a Jew, say at the passoever this if my body, this is my blood. It does not add up
      Ruth said this on May 2, 2013 at 8:09 am | Reply
      • Ruth
        Jesus was speaking of the wine as blood. it was symbolic, since he knew he was going to die.
        Marianne said this on May 2, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Reply
        • Thank you for your quick response. Some Christians believe in the Living presence. Nothing symbolical about this. For them it is the blood of Christ
          Ruth said this on May 3, 2013 at 7:52 am | Reply
          • ruth
            that is because they take the words literally, “this is my blood.” But if they look in the cup and taste it, it is still grape juice.
            Marianne said this on May 3, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Reply
            • The christian church’s use wine have the miracle of the Transubstanciation ( spel? ) They believe in the living presence. Thanks for all replies. I think this has run its course
              Ruth said this on May 3, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Reply
          • Ruth in the Roman church they take it literally like originally the pagan religious ceremony Rome was familiar with. In Judaism certain pacts were sealed with blood and wine symbolized blood.
            Shofar said this on March 2, 2014 at 2:45 am | Reply
  5. Awesome news about Messiah. I will try to get the book. When I post, I try to give answers to traditional objections, so that their academic issues are satisfied. Chag Sameach, Yom Tov!
    Marianne said this on April 4, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Reply
  6. So accdording to some passages in Matt about the gentile girl coming to Jesus to ask him to save her daughter or sister I think, he tells her that he came only for the jews. But because of her faith, he helped her. Does this mean he did only come for the jews? Does Jesus, God, love or prefer the Jews over everyone else? I thought there was no preference with God. He loves everyone equally.
    Please help me understand this and explain if possible. thanks.
    bt said this on June 7, 2008 at 6:08 pm | Reply
  7. Dear BT.
    Jesus came for everyone, but there was a certain order in which he was doing things.
    Since the Jews were waiting for their Messiah, he was coming to them first. Once that had been accomplished, and the Jews knew him, he would use the Jews to reach the Gentiles.
    This was the most efficient way to do things, since the Jews already knew the bible, and could teach others. This is why the first 12 apostles were Jews. They were easier to train and teach. The gentiles knew nothing about the bible and it would take longer to teach them.
    So his plan was….to first the Jew, then the gentile. But the plan included everyone.
    Love,
    marianne
    Marianne said this on June 7, 2008 at 6:50 pm | Reply
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  10. The coming messiah will be Torah observant, meaning his Bible won’t include the NT. I look out my window and see war. jc didn’t accomplish the tasks and for that reason, there was no need to reject him since he obviously didn’t qualify by measurement of his lack of achievements, as required by the Hebrew Bible, not the Greek mistranslation of it.
    Scriptures tell us none but G-d is to be worshipped that means the coming messiah too; for he is to be a man born of a man and a woman. Virgin birth is pagan and a myth shared by too many beliefs to be the path of unique redemption. Furthermore, Jews are matrilineal and since Joseph didn’t take part in the making, cannot pass on his bloodline, except by *magic* and we circle around to pagan influences again.
    Who will the messiah worship? Himself?
    What Gentiles need to learn about is Noahism and the Seven Laws starting with “There is none but G-d.” There is no other and He is not a man that He should lie.
    wharold said this on August 6, 2008 at 2:59 am | Reply
  11. Hello wharold
    I think you are responding to traditional thinking of Christians, and not this post. Take a second look at what I said here. One of the things I do is correct “traditional thinking” of Christians.
    I agree with you, and Jesus agrees with you. There is only one God and Jesus never said he was God. What he did say was that he was the son of God, and that the Father was greater than he was. The concept of “the son of God” is a separate discussion from the Messiah topic here. You will see this is true if you actually read the gospels. Why he said it, and what he meant by what he said, and why the leadership did not grasp his true meaning, is a different topic. Jesus was an observant Jew,.
    He made it plain that he did not come to establish peace on earth and be king (Messiah). When he had the chance, he refused. So why was he here, and what was he only trying to accomplish?
    There is a two part prophecy of Daniel I was addressing, and Jesus was part of.
    First there is a “Son of Man” who comes and then appears before the Ancient of Days after securing the kingdom of God. He then transfers it to the saints, to empower them against the enemy (the beast). This is all he does. This is part #1.
    Later, when the 4th beast comes to full power, in the last days, the beast wars against the saints and overcomes them, and the danger is there that they will be destroyed. Then the “Prince of princes (Messiah)” comes and breaks the power of the beast, and saves his people. This is part #2.
    Jesus only came to fulfill part #1. So he did not come to be the Messiah described in part 2. That would be later when the beast comes to full power. So what was he supposed to do to secure the kingdom?
    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
    The blood of animals never fixed man’s inner nature. He always sinned. The servant described in Isaiah was – yes- supposed to be the nation of Israel, but Israel failed to do its job. God called his servant blind ( Isaiah 42:19). His servant was not a light to the gentiles. They could not even stay out of sin themselves. So the Son of Man ( Daniel 7, part #1), representing Israel, had to do what the people failed to do, first by his own efforts, and then with the righteous remnant that would return.
    blessings
    marianne
    Marianne said this on August 6, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Reply
  12. Hello!
    My name is Anders Branderud, I am 23 years and I am from Sweden. I have practised Orthodox Judaism through Netzarim (www.netzarim.co.il) in Ra’anana in Israel (led by the Orthodox Jew Paqid Yirmeyahu ha-Tzadiq), who are followers of Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – since 2007-05. Before that I was a devoted Christian for 6 years.
    By practising Torah non-selectively we make the world a better place to live in!
    You write: “t is legitimate to say that Jesus (Yeshua) did not fulfill all the messianic prophesies, and this lack of fulfillment is the basis for a split between Christianity and Judaism”
    The research of world-recognized authorities (for example Barrie Wilson; ) in this area implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee (a Torah-practising Jewish group) – who according to 4Q MMT (a Scroll found in the Qumran-caves) practised both written and oral Torah.
    That Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee implies that you need to practise his Torah-teachings if want to follow him. You do that by practising Torah (including oral Torah; see “Mishpat” and “Halakhah” at Glossaries in the first page at the above website)!
    Ribi Yehoshua warned for false prophets who don’t produce good fruit = defined as don’t practise the commandments in Torah according to Halakhah (oral Torah; see “Mishpat” and “Halakhah” at Glossaries in the first page at the abvove website). See Devarim (Deuteronomy) 13:1-6.
    If Ribi Yehoshua didn’t keep Halakhah he is a false prophet. Torah gives authority to Halakhah (as I said see the glossaries-definition at our website).
    Why Jews don’t believe J*esus was the להבדיל Messiah is simply because he didn’t keep Torah and Halakhah.
    So the real Messiah was the Jew Ribi Yehoshua who practised Torah and Halakhah.
    To quote the first century Ribi Yehoshua: “Happy are they to be who hunger and thirst after tzedaqah [justness according to Torah; that is practising the מצות in תורה (Torah)], for they shall be filled of it.” [The Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu 5:3].
    All the best,
    From Anders Branderud
    branderudanders said this on October 21, 2008 at 11:39 am | Reply
  13. Dear Anders
    I appreciate your comments and insights from a Jewish perspective.
    You are saying that there were 2 different people ??? :
    1. the real Messiah – Jew Ribi Yehoshua who practised Torah and Halakhah
    2. Jesus – who did not keep Torah and Halakhah
    please explain….
    blessings and Yom Tov
    marianne
    Marianne said this on October 21, 2008 at 12:21 pm | Reply
  14. Hello Marianne!
    I am glad to hear that you appreciate it!!
    If you want to learn about the difference, please visit our website:
    http://www.netzarim.co.il ; then click at the post “Christians”
    Be blessed when you practise Torah and its mitzwot (commandments)!
    From Anders Branderud
    branderudanders said this on October 21, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Reply
  15. Hello Marianne!
    I am glad to hear that you appreciate it!!
    If you want to learn about the difference, please visit our website:
    http://www.netzarim.co.il ; then click at the post “Christians”
    Be blessed when you practise Torah and its mitzwot (commandments)!
    From Anders Branderud
    branderudanders said this on October 21, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Reply
  16. Dear Anders
    Please answer original question….are you saying there are 2 different people, or just 2 versions of the same person.?
    Anyhow, I need to leave for awhile. I do observe Torah. Today is Shemini Atzeret and I need to get to shul.
    I am a Christian with Jewish ancestry who “went back home” to worship with my own people.
    blessings
    marianne
    Marianne said this on October 21, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Reply
  17. I must say that this is probably the most impressive blog post i’ve ever read (at least on the topic of Jesus).. I’m still giving thought to weather or not i should read the “To see the unfulfilled prophecies, which Jews use to express a disbelief in Jesus”, and i think i’ll go for it, as you’re quite good at putting information together in a way for it to make sense for everyone else, thank you.
    Muslim said this on December 31, 2008 at 3:50 am | Reply
  18. Hi Muslim,
    Thank you for the kind words. I am a little different than most Christian writers. I am also a scientist, so I look at things from an academic perspective, and I try to look at all the information before giving a summary. You will see articles here on science as well, where events in nature seem to support scripture and prophecy, which is consistent with a Creator, and intelligent design of the universe.
    I wrote this post here, because I have never seen any Christian scholar prove to others that Jesus was supposed to come twice. I have also never seen them tackle the objections that Muslims and Jews have about the identity of Jesus, the way it is presented by the traditional church, which I happen to disagree with. Muslims and Jews have certain legitimate objections, but Christian teachers just say it is a matter of faith, rather than finding scriptures that answer the legitimate questions.
    Since these questions bothered me, and I wanted the answers too, I set out to find the scriptures, to help clarify the issues.
    Here, in the book of Daniel, it was shown that who we now know as Jesus would come first as the son of man, to accomplish a redemptive work, and set up a spiritual kingdom. Only when he returns, to save the world from the antichrist, will he come as a king, or Messiah. It is a little confusing to put he two roles together, because then, a person would say he failed in some way.
    But he was meant to come twice, and do certain things each time. I have spent much time with Jews, and they read the Torah every week, and do not get much further than that, outside of some passages from Ezechiel and Isaiah. I have seen their Chumash, the book they read from, and I have not noticed the book of Daniel quoted in there. That is why they are missing this revelation.
    If you go to this page, you will see a summary of different studies about the nature of Jesus
    https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/jesus-who-is-he/
    On thing Muslims say that is true is that the trinity makes no sense. They are correct. From the bible, Jesus never said he was God. He said he was God’s (spiritual) son, which gives him certain qualities. There was no “wife.” But you have to understand what he meant by that.
    There is only one God, and that is the Father, and Jesus said this. Jesus pre-existed in heaven before he came to earth, as a heavenly personality, but he was never equal to the Father. He is there now, and will return. The catholic church teaches this wrong, because they did not put enough thought into studying the scriptures. This has caused much confusion. The Protestants did not understand it either, so they just accepted what the Catholic church said. This is stupid, when the answers are right there for everyone.
    I can give more explanations, but this response would get too long. Thank you for visiting my site. Please feel free to look around. You are welcome to agree, disagree, put up your own views. The idea here is to debate and discuss what is on our minds, so we can find the truth that God wants us to have.
    blessings and peace
    marianne
    Marianne said this on December 31, 2008 at 8:55 am | Reply
    • Dear Marianne,
      The Bible is full of myths hence can’t be proved scientifically. You said you are a christian and a scientist, and you looked at things from an academic perspectives. I am a Christian like you but i am not a scientist and i believe in jesus’ resurrection. How about you? Do you believe he rose again from the dead judging from your academic/scientific perspectives?
      regards
      msu_74
      miranda urduja said this on June 16, 2009 at 8:04 am | Reply
      • Hi msu_74
        First of all, to be “scientific,” just because there is no evidence, does not mean something is a myth. For example, we have no proof as to what is on the planet Pluto, but this does not discount what is there as true.
        For most of the history of science, we could not prove what DNA was, until the last century. And these were about physical things. Imagine trying to prove something that is not physical with physical methods.
        The way people find confirmation of the Bible is that what God did thousands of years ago, He still can do and does now. If he worked a miracle then, he can work a miracle now.
        Regarding the resurrection, that has been studied scientifically.
        1. the Shroud of Turin, or burial cloth of Jesus, has been examined by scientists to see if it was that of Jesus, if he resurrected. An image was left on the cloth of a crucified man. While false critics claimed it was just a painted image on the cloth, all evidence pointed to a supernatural nuclear event bursting through the cloth, leaving an impression. It was not paint, the pollen grains indicated it was of middle east origin, and there was a 3 dimensional image INSIDE the cloth. The carbon dating was off, making it seem newer, until a microbiologist found a bacterium growing on it that produced a waxy coating that would decrease the dating on the shroud. So the shroud was really older than the carbon dating said. And it was about the right age (2000 years old) The technology today does not exist to reproduce the image that was examined on the cloth.
        2. Medical analysis of the suffering of Christ on the cross has been published. It accurately describes in medical terms how Christ died, and that there was no way he could have survived the ordeal, which discounts claims that he “fainted” and was removed before he died, so that he could recover. he had lost too much blood, his lungs had collapsed, and there was tissue fluid filling his lungs. He died from the shock of high blood loss affecting his heart, which went into cardiac arrest. Also, the way he was positioned on the cross made it increasingly difficult to breathe, as he had to push up with his feet in order to take each breath. As blood loss continued, as well as pain out of control, he was no longer able to do this and collapsed, stopping the air flow into his lungs.
        Marianne said this on June 16, 2009 at 11:26 am | Reply
  19. Anders visited my blog with the same writing, all poor scholarship. My rebuttal is here.
    David V.S. said this on February 1, 2009 at 6:45 am | Reply
  20. HI David,
    What exactly did I say that is the “same” as Anders? I read your blog, and really did not follow well what he was saying.
    My point here is that Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophesies when he came the first time (example; peace on earth), because it was predicted that he would come twice, and complete all works by the second coming.
    blessings
    marianne
    Marianne said this on February 1, 2009 at 12:50 pm | Reply
  21. I strongly disagree with the catholic faith, because of their practices of witchcraft. But the trinity is correct. Jesus claimed in the bible over and over again that he was god.
    “We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33)
    The Jews understood what he was saying from his statements, he was claiming to be their holy god.
    not to mention statements such as i and the father are one, and he is in me and i am in him, (paraphrased)
    do your research and you shall find the truth, because i myself doubted the trinity, but after alot of research the conclusion is that the trinity is correct.
    elsid aliaj said this on February 27, 2009 at 10:03 pm | Reply
  22. Hi elsid aliaj
    I acknowledge the Father, Son and holy Spirit. It is the relationship between the 3 that is the subject of discussion.
    Jesus said he was the Son of God, and that God was his Father, then he said “the Father is greater than I.” So there is not an equality present. Jesus also directed us to pray to the Father in his name, but not to him. He said he came to do his Father’s will, not his own. This indicates that he was submissive to the Father, not equal to him.
    Now, once Jesus went back to heaven His status was elevated.
    However, from the very beginning, before he came to earth, Jesus was divine in nature. He has to be divine, if his Father is divine, just like you are human, if your father is human. But you are not your father, and if you are in your father’s house, he is the boss.
    Even in some epistles of Paul, we see a distinction between the Father as “officially” God, and then the Lord is Jesus Christ, as if there is a distinction between them. There are no quotes from written scripture where Jesus announces “I am God.” He does admit that he is the Son of God.
    Check:
    1 Cor 3:6
    Gal 1:3, 3:26
    Eph 1:2-3, 4:5-6
    Phil 1:2, 2:6,9, 11
    blessings
    marianne
    Marianne said this on February 27, 2009 at 10:29 pm | Reply
  23. Like I said before. The Jewish people don’t believe that the Messiah has come so they are primed for the deception of the antichrist. They will be deceived into thinking that the antichrist is the messiah.
    After that Christ will come back as the Lion of Judah to save Israel from itself.
    P.S. Based on your posts I kind of thought that you were Jewish. That explains a lot.
    Contender said this on May 16, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Reply
  24. Hi everyone
    What did God Say About Having a Weapon for= Self-Defense?
    .
    Liberal Jews tell us that it is “bad” to have a gun in your home.= This arrogantly assumes that you must be a bad person because inanimate= objects can’t be “bad” except in the hands of a criminal.= Communist societies were infamous for taking guns away from their citizens,= and Communist societies went on to mass murder over 100 million people= during the twentieth century as noted in “The Black Book of= Communism”.
    .
    In Luke 22:35 and 36, Jesus told his disciples: “And he said unto them,= When I sent you …, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said= he unto them, But now…. he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment,= and buy one.”
    .
    Any reasonable person should be able to draw the obvious conclusion that if= the disciples of Jesus were told to actually sell their coat to buy a= sword, then righteous men should be able to arm themselves for defense= against criminals.
    .
    Once again, the Jews want us to be all disarmed in a police state, that they= will control, and God wants us to be able to protect ourselves with a= weapon.
    The order of evil posits a more complex reality than Christianity, and consequently develops a more independent, naturalistic and chaotic philosophy. The response of Christianity and other forms of control is fear and recrimination. The Altar of Blasphemy reveals the heartbeat of heresy, but it is only your will that can give birth to your own demon.
    The question is, who is causing all the trouble? Why is our economy collapsing? Why are we fighting so many wars? Who are the REAL terrorists? Who’s behind the abortion slaughter? Who’s behind the nationalizing of American business? Who owns the federal reserve Bank (it is a privet bank)? Why do we pay interest on our own money?
    AdvetleilligH said this on July 7, 2009 at 2:12 am | Reply
  25. God came and talked to me. He spent 3 years and I wrote down volumes of what he had to say. In a very long story that God told about Jesus, ended up in him saying that Jesus was NOT the prophet. He said that Jesus wasn’t even his name. The Romans made that name up when they made up the NT. Jesus is a Greek word and it doesn’t translate into Yeshua. Remember the Disciples were Hebrews and they would have written in their own language, Hebrew. The NT was written in Greek because the Romans wrote it. That was too easy to figure out. The Jews still speak Hebrew today, they never gave up their language for Greek.
    Now I wouldn’t have researched that if God hadn’t talked to me, cause I didn’t care about the Bible. But the rest of you study it and you couldn’t figure something that simple out.
    OK, maybe I wasn’t being fair to you. So I will give you another example from God. God says that the Pope is a Pagan. Now God is very fond of Pope Benedict XVI and he goes to Heaven even though he is a Pagan. How is the Pope a Pagan? The Church says that Jesus died for you. Jesus died for your sins. That is Human Sacrifice. Pagans practiced Human Sacrifice. ARe you following me here? When the Romans put the NT together they incorporated their ideas of Human Sacrifice into the story of Jesus. Remember the Romans served up numbers of humans to the dieties, they knew all about Human Sacrifice and how they thought it worded out for them. It also was their source of entertainment in the same way you watch violent movies. They didn’t have TV like you do. Really think about it, why would someone as intellgent as God need a Human Sacrifice. You people really can’t think he is like that, he is not a blood thirsty monster. Parents don’t sacrifice their children, especically. It is just dumb to think that someone else has to suffer for your sins. If you have been bad, your going to suffer for your own sins. God says Judgment is very real. You have all been decieved. Now I am not going to be hard on you for being deceived, cause I was just like you until God pointed a few things out to me. So don’t feel bad for being stupid.
    Melanie Stephan said this on September 11, 2009 at 2:06 am | Reply
  26. God says that resurrection is real. You just don’t get your old body back. Your old body is trash. It is disposed of. You get a new body in your Father House. Don’t look at me, that is what God said. That is the word of God. No one saw Jesus walking around in his old dead body. If they did they are a liar.
    Melanie Stephan said this on September 11, 2009 at 2:13 am | Reply
    • Dear Melanie
      The Romans did not write the New Testament. The apostles did. The gospels were written in Hebrew and translated later into Greek. Some were written in Greek to begin with, but that was to communicate with the gentiles, who did not know Hebrew.
      Jesus offered his life to pay for our sins. This is self-sacrifice, not pagan sacrifice.
      Jesus name in Hebrew would have translated “God is salvation.” This would be Yahoshua in Hebrew, but many people shorten it to jut Yeshua, which means salvation.
      THe bible is the Word of God. I suggest you read it for the first time. I understand your sincerity, but you do not seem to know what is written in the bible, from the remarks you made. Jesus had a glorified body after the resurrection.
      Marianne said this on September 11, 2009 at 2:25 am | Reply
  27. jesus christ is the son of GOD my friend when he spoke of earthly things the people did not understand…when he spoke of heavenly things the people could not relate…jesus did bring peace to all those who believe in the faith he died for OUR sins my friend he did not leave he is inside all of those who open there hearts as god was in him when he was on earth doing miracles how else you think jesus was doing these things he saved us from our selves we are our biggest enemy cause we are the ones responsible for our sins not our enemies jesus says love your enemies ….hard isint it ? well we sin againts god ALL the time god has no fellowship with sin which makes us transgressors of the law “enemies” of god cause we disobey him yet he loves us …makes sense why jesus would say that right? jesus did not come here preaching his ressurection he spoke of the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and praised the lord GOD at all time his words were fruit pleasent to all those who heard this great wisdom that has possesed there understanding in achiveing what we recon as words of grace truth and power remember god spoke and things were created jesus is the word of god that came to give testimony againts the world and it hated him for it why ….cause the world is full of sin and walks in darkness and its deeds are dark so how can jesus say he is of this world! you and i are from this world this is why we are the way we are but jesus is not there was no sin in him just truth,life,and the way to god …he has been with the father since the begining look at genesis when god said “LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE WITH OUR LIKENESS” who is god talking to if he was all alone…. live forever in the truth my friend cause the good and the bad trees must grow together but soon all those tress who do not bear fruit will be chopt down and tosst into the fire every eye every tounge shall see the son of man in the day of his glory filled with power from god the father who is was and always will be alpha omega the iam! god bless you and may god keep you my friend your brother in christ full of peace in faith …john
    john said this on October 17, 2009 at 8:56 pm | Reply
  28. Entire Torah speaks of Mashiach, here are some lesser known verses from the Bible speaking about Second Coming:
    Parallel of Rev.19:15 and Psalms 45:4 –
    “ 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” (Rev. 19)
    “4 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O mighty one, thy glory and thy majesty. (Psalms 45)
    “9 Myrrh, and aloes, and cassia are all thy garments; out of ivory palaces stringed instruments have made thee glad.” (Psalms 45)
    “6 Who is this that cometh up out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant?” (Song of Songs 3)
    “2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deut. 33)
    (Actually, The LORD never “came” from Sinai, The LORD appeared to Moses at Sinai, but He didn’t come from there; Rather, it describes path of Jesus Christ during Second Coming from Sinai; The LORD, during exodus, never rose from Seir and shined forth from mount Paran with ten thousands of saints…this describes Second Coming and proves that The LORD of Israel and Jesus Christ are One and The Same)
    “ 3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.” (Deut. 33)
    Regarding what Jesus said:
    “28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” (John 10)
    “2 Praise ye the LORD for the avenging of Israel, when the people willingly offered themselves.
    3 Hear, O ye kings; give ear, O ye princes; I, even I, will sing unto the LORD; I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.
    4 LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.
    5 The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel. “(Judges 5)
    (This supposedly describes battle of Barak, Sisera and Yahel in Judges 4, but that battle took place at Kishon and Meggido near Jezreel in Northern Israel, while verse really describes Second Coming from Seir and Edom, very far distance from Jezreel; And Sinai also didn’t melt when God gave Torah – Exodus 19,20)
    12 Awake, awake, Deborah; awake, awake, utter a song; arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam. (Judges 5)
    This refers to Jesus Christ in New Testament:
    “ 8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.” (Eph. 4)
    Ultimate fuflfilment of Genesis 15:3
    “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.”
    “22 Surely God will smite through the head of His enemies, the hairy scalp of him that goeth about in his guiltiness.” (Psalms 68)
    1 “Who is this that cometh from Edom, with crimsoned garments from Bozrah? This that is glorious in his apparel, stately in the greatness of his strength?’–‘I that speak in victory, mighty to save.” (Isaiah 63)
    Again, God coming from the desert during Second Coming, with forces of destruction:
    “3 God cometh from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah His glory covereth the heavens, and the earth is full of His praise. 4 And a brightness appeareth as the light; rays hath He at His side; and there is the hiding of His power. 5 Before him goeth the pestilence, and fiery bolts go forth at His feet.” (Habakkuk 3)
    Again, wounding the head of the wicked (satan) as in Genesis 15:3
    “12 Thou marchest through the earth in indignation, Thou threshest the nations in anger. 13 Thou art come forth for the deliverance of Thy people, for the deliverance of Thine anointed; Thou woundest the head out of the house of the wicked, uncovering the foundation even unto the neck. Selah” (Habakkuk 3)
    Messiah, gathering nations in order to burn them up:
    1 Behold, a day of the LORD cometh, when thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, but the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fighteth in the day of battle.
    (Zechariah 14)
    “ 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” (Mat. 13)
    Gavriel said this on December 24, 2009 at 12:25 am | Reply
  29. 4 me when we talk about Jesus he is really the messiah but it was not his fault that he died early because it was the jews fault!…
    in my belief, he is a human being that understand God’s heart that is why he was proclaimed as the messiah. in saying that he did miracles in the bible was that some of the story was only symbolic….
    if i will question you about in the bible, when Adam and eve eat the fruit of good and evil they realize that they disobeyed God, do you believe that it was really a fruit? then where is that fruit here on earth? or was it only symbolic? when they realize that they have sinned, they cover their sexual part right?
    (in the part of reality when someone was caught doing something bad, the 1st thing they will hide is the part of their body that who did it, right?..4 example, a mother told her son not to eat the cake she baked, and when the mother’s gone the boy try to taste it. when the mother came back she find out that the cake was gone and the only person that she see near in the cake was her son (let’s say they were the only people in the house)
    then the child probably hide his hands if there are some bits of bread or acing) that might be like in the story of Adam and eve, they cover their sexual organs instead of their mouth…
    anyway when God say that do not eat the fruit, if u will eat it you will die, right? but when they eat it, did they die? no right? so how will u explain it?
    karra said this on February 25, 2010 at 6:30 am | Reply
    • Hi karra
      Adam did die. He was supposed to live forever, but he didn’t. Also, to God one day is as a thousand years, and Adam only lived to be 900 years old. So he lived less than a “day” in that time. Time was different then.
      I think his sin could be both literal and symbolic, although I am guessing, since I was not there. Just like the boy with the cake example. There really was a cake, and the boy ate it. The cake symbolized the sin that he committed, and the cake was real.
      If the sexual organs were begin hidden, and the sin was symbolic only, then the sin was sexual, and not an apple.
      Marianne said this on February 25, 2010 at 12:37 pm | Reply
      • Marianne,
        Adam was created the 6th. day and thus he died before the 7th. day ?
        If a thousand years is as 1 day unto the Lord … then I assume Adam died before the 7th. day. Right?
        HHHmmmmmmm ? Lots to think about.
        Abigail said this on February 25, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Reply
  30. Hi,
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    Send it across and share it with the multitudes who are hungry for HIS Word.
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    Servant of the Most High said this on March 8, 2010 at 9:45 am | Reply
  31. Hi everyone
    http://www.internetmosque.net – Compared Translations of the meaning of the Quran
    Why We Die: from ancient to modern ideals
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    Death is understood as a part of our life . In ancient times , it was not as accepted . We searched for immortality , we ran after various myths and legends of a ‘fountain of youth’ and ‘golden fleece’ to give us everlasting life .
    Along with the fables of potions and objects to prevent death , came the assumptions of why we die .
    Numerous philosophers and poets gave their explanations , the ancients believed death was a curse on humans whereas pagan gods were immune to this curse , those gods could also remove this curse through a human/god marriage or sacred rituals .
    In the Bible , Paul gives a similar reason for death by claiming we die because of sin . Paul asserts that the first human sinned , therefore lost immortality , and subsequently causing all humans to be seemingly ‘ cursed ‘ with death .
    At first , Paul blames Adam by saying ; “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned” Ro 5:12
    “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die…..” 1 Co 15:21-22
    “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned…” Ro 5:14
    “For the wages of sin is death…..” Ro 6:23
    We fear and hate what we don’t understand , hence Paul says; “The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. ” 1Co 15:26
    Furthermore in the Bible , we encounter an equivalent to the ‘fountain of youth’ concept ; “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. ” John 6:54
    This is repeated by Paul who gives his own summary that Jesus gives eternal life ;
    ” the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus ….. ” Ro 6:23
    “…..Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality…..” 2 Timothy 1:10
    Then Paul slips the accusation from Adam , over to Eve . Paul accuses all women of being responsible for the actions of Eve and says a woman can redeem herself through the pains of child ” birth ” ;
    ” ..Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet woman will be saved through bearing children” 1 Timothy 2:14-15
    Fortunately today , scientists know that common death is caused by ….. Oxygen .
    Oxygen is a natural element which also helps in corrosion of automobiles and flowers . The same reaction this element has towards metals and wild life, it too has towards our bodies , slowly aging us until death . This gas is a slow poison which affects each one differently as it also deteriorates metals and plants at various speeds .
    As prescribed by Doctors , anti-Oxidants are shown to slow the aging process . None the less , the anti-Oxidants do not stop our expiration date , and eventually , at a set time , we die .
    The Holy Koran confirms this natural process and does not give us episodes of ‘original sin’ and ‘magic potions’ . Instead the Holy Quran gives us facts from our Creator that death is a normal process and we live for a certain period and then return to God :
    ” And among His Signs in this: thou seest the earth barren and desolate; but when We send down rain to it, it is stirred to life and yields increase. Truly, He Who gives life to the (dead) earth can surely give life to (men) who are dead. For He has power over all things.” (Holy Koran 41:39)
    ” Lo! Allah (it is) Who splitteth the grain of corn and the date-stone (for sprouting).; He brings forth the living from the dead and He is the bringer forth of the dead from the living; that is Allah! how are you then turned away.” (Holy Koran 6:95)
    Nearly 1,400 years ago, prior to scientists confirming that the origin of death is the prolonged exposure to the elements on earth, the Holy Quran in these verses compares us to other living organisms, and summarizes that it is a common cycle for the plants (humans) to die due to the conditions on earth, while as the plants die and are brought back to life by the Heavenly water, so shall we be brought back to life on the Day of Judgement .
    Therefore it is not because of a sin or a curse that we pass on , it is because of the environmental conditions of earth as stated in the Holy Koran , roses are at one point in full bloom , and as the wilting process takes affect , the rose plant deteriorates and is eventually lifeless, the rose was not born a sinner as we are not born sinners, but the rose dies as we one day too return to our Creator .
    The Gospel leads some Christians to believe that Eve is the cause of all death on earth. Their interpretation is that all of God’s creation was made perfect, immortal. Then when Eve sinned, she was no longer perfect, no longer immortal, consequently passing death through out the earth.
    Archeological scientists give us evidence through the Fossil records clearing the felony accusations towards Eve. Fossils give us solid proof that death existed and occurred millions of years before the existence of humans.
    The oldest human fossil, the homo habilis skeleton has been dated to be 2 million years old, showing that humans are relatively the youngest life forms on earth.
    The conclusive verification that death existed despite the activities of humans, is that fossil skeletons of monkeys were found 39 million years old, ancestors of rabbits 45 million years old, prehistoric dog and cat skeletons 64 million years old . All manifesting death millions of years before humans ever sinned.
    This concrete evidence again shows that death is not a transmitted curse, instead death is a natural geological process which first affected algae and bacteria over 3 Billion years ago.
    “Every soul shall have a taste of death: and We test you by evil and by good by way of trial. to Us must ye return.” (Holy Koran 21:35)
    Again signifying that death is universal, and no soul is exempt , the word “taste” here supports the fact that -common death- is due to our life term of inhaling the oxygen based gases.
    “And a soul will not die but with the permission of Allah the term is fixed;” (Holy Koran 3:145)
    “Say: “Running away will not profit you if ye are running away from death or slaughter…..” (Holy Koran 33:16)
    “We have ordained death among you and We are not to be outrun” (Holy Koran 56:60)
    Medicine and machines may slow death, but eventually we die, eventually , death catches all of us and it can not be conquered as Paul in the Bible conceives .
    “Yet have they taken, besides Him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can they control death nor life nor resurrection.” (Holy Koran 25:3)
    It is precisely stated in this verse that neither humans nor created idols, can have full control over death, dyeing is an unavoidable necrosis which those who assumed human gods could make you immortal, were wrong .
    The Quran debunks all fallacies of ancient flesh god parables who give us immortality through sacrifices or ritual drinks , dying is an unavoidable occrance similar to the sun setting:
    “And He it is Who gives life and causes death, and (in) His (control) is the alternation of the night and the day; do you not then understand?” (Holy Koran 23:80)
    The Divinity of this cycle is clear . If the Sun did not set, and the Night did not cover the land , then all of the earth would become barren , with a constant Sun 24 hours a day , the earth would wither away.
    Similarly, if humans did not die, the resources on this earth would have been depleted . We are surrounded by cycles, within and without our Universe, we also give birth, which maintains the existence of humans, so factually, both death and birth, maintains our presence here on earth.
    Many cycles are referenced in the Holy Quran which generate and preserve life on our planet, if any of the numerous sequences, including death, were removed from the repeated phenomenons, the human race would fade away within a century, instead of lasting millenniums as we have been.
    If we observe our surroundings realistically, we need death, we can’t live without it .
    Life and Death are a Perfect pair like day and night:
    “And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect.” (Holy Quran 51:49)
    Death in Islam is a transitional process , to die is nothing to remorse about:
    “In that case We should have made thee taste an equal portion (of punishment) in this life, and an equal portion in death: and moreover thou wouldst have found none to help thee against Us!” (Holy Quran 17:75)
    “Think not of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;” (Holy Quran 3:169)
    Here we see that death itself is not the punishment, the punishments from God are prior to death and in the manner of accountability, punishments and rewards are after death.
    “Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they immortals.” (Holy Koran 21:8)
    “We granted not to any man before thee permanent life (here):” (Holy Koran 21:34)
    We see that Adam , is confirmed to be a mortal , who was not exempt from death , so death was not passed down from Adam or Eve , nor did Adam cause himself to become mortal, being vulnerable to death is the way God created us .
    Death is a stepping stone, not a pox spreading through humans, generation after generation. The Quran lifts you up and inspires you, the Quran teaches us that we are born Muslims (in submission to God), unlike other doctrines which teach you that we are born sinners, heathens, cursed, incomplete, imperfect, infectious, inadequate, and fall short .
    While the Quran teaches you are a good person, you are born an agent of God, you can do the deeds that come with faith, and if not, God is Merciful, you are not passing a death curse on to your children, God loves you and your children, You are complete and you have the power to enter Heaven, with or without any other human assistance, No one had to die in your place , God forgave Adam at the start , God is forgiving . God takes your personal physical limitations into account and is Cherishing.
    “And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; “Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam.”Submission to God (Holy Koran 2:132)
    May God have mercy on those who love Him.
    Peace
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    All of us will die one day INCLUDING YOU.
    so before you die you must find out where the HELL you are going too.
    You must find out
    who is our savior Jesus or ?
    You may sleep tonight and never get up in the morning?
    You may die today.
    You may die within a week
    You may die within a month
    you may die within a year
    you may die within the next ten years
    one thing for sure
    You will die
    so find out how is our savior so that he may save you.
    payclatty said this on July 1, 2010 at 2:25 am | Reply
    • Fossils did not precede mankind. The dating of fossils is influenced by the belief in evolution. The world was created. It did not evolve. Once man fell into sin, the world started to degenerate.
      Marianne said this on July 1, 2010 at 11:57 am | Reply
  32. Hi
    http://www.internetmosque.net – A new MP3 CD quality stereo audio Explanation of the Quran
    “Are there any other sacred sources?”
    Yes, the sunna, the practice and example of the Prophet (SAW), is the second authority for Muslims. A hadith is a reliably transmitted report of what the Prophet (SAW) said, did, or approved. Belief in the sunna is part of the Islamic faith.
    Examples of the Prophet’s sayings
    The Prophet (SAW) said:
    ‘God has no mercy on one who has no mercy for others.’
    ‘None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.’
    ‘He who eats his fill while his neighbor goes without food is not a believer.’
    ‘The truthful and trusty businessman is associated with the prophets the saints, and the martyrs.’
    ‘Powerful is not he who knocks the other down, indeed powerful is he who controls himself in a fit of anger.’
    ‘God does not judge according to your bodies and appearances but He scans your hearts and looks into your deeds.’
    ‘A man walking along a path felt very thirsty. Reaching a well he descended into it, drank his fill and came up. Then he saw a dog with its tongue hanging out, trying to lick up mud to quench its thirst. The man saw that the dog was feeling the same thirst as he had felt so he went down into the well again and filled his shoe with water and gave the dog a drink. God forgave his sins for this action.’ The Prophet (SAW) was asked: ‘Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?’ He said, ‘There is a reward for kindness to every living thing.’ (From the hadith collections of Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi and Bayhaqi.)
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    All of us will die one day INCLUDING YOU.
    so before you die you must find out where the HELL you are going too.
    You must find out
    who is our savior Jesus or ?
    You may sleep tonight and never get up in the morning?
    You may die today.
    You may die within a week
    You may die within a month
    you may die within a year
    you may die within the next ten years
    one thing for sure
    You will die
    so find out how is our savior so that he may save you.
    payclatty said this on July 3, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  33. I like to share with the two incident in days of our Lord Jesus about the upholding faith and unfaith.
    First one is from St. Mathew 8:5 – 13:-
    And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man,] Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it. ] When Jesus heard [it,] he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. (Mat 8: 5-13)
    Second one is from St. Luke 4:16 – 24:-
    (Jesus First Preaching/reading from ESAIAS)
    And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph’s son? And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country. And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country. But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, [a city] of Sidon, unto a woman [that was] a widow. And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. But he passing through the midst of them went his way, And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days. And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power. (Luke 4: 16-24)
    Moral of these 2 Incidents:
    As per the truth of Lord Jesus citation (“No prophet is accepted in his own country”), Jews are not accepting Him as the son of God Al(pha)mighty and they are still awaiting for his arrival with the old commandments of Moses. But Romans are accept and believed Lord Jesus. Even though, Lord Jesus was born in Jews Family.
    Jews are thinking that Messiah will be a great political leader descended from King David and He will be saving from the earthly enemies. But as per Jesus, Kingdom of Heaven is not like kingdom of earth and our enemy is Satan the devil who art in Hell.
    There is no mystery. What we want to know that will be explained by him.
    Thanks & Regards,
    J. Simon
    J SIMON said this on July 24, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Reply
  34. 1. Messiah was not predicted to come until the last days of the end times. E.g the appointed time.
    2. They are found in the Galilee of the Gentiles not Israel.
    3. The righteous and suffering servant as a skin disease and there is no mention of Jesus Christ having a skin disease.
    4. The Spirit of God is in female form. As Prophet Jeremiah predicted “A woman will encompass a man”. She is also featured in Rev 12 and Micah 4.
    Eliakim said this on September 5, 2010 at 8:56 am | Reply
  35. You noted nicely here that Moshiach has to take two trips, and then the full title is Moshiach ben-David. However in Jewish tradition we have many confusing traditions that suddenly become clear when one understands Yeshua. Some traditions hold there is one messiah, and others hold two- Moshiach ben Yosef and Moshiach ben David. The Yeshua that we all know and love clearly represents Moshiach ben Yosef. Yosef was the father of our concept of a hidden Tzaddik or righteous one. Yeshua’s revelation to his disciples as Messiah and son of God dwarfs that of Yosef to his brothers and many parallels can be drawn between the two men. Another tradition holds that Moshiach ben Yosef will come from Yehuda and save Israel, while ben David will come from Israel and save Yehuda. The Yeshua we know fits the tradition for Moshiach ben Yosef in every way that I’ve found. Because his mother’s line leads to king David, when he returns he is perfectly qualified to then fulfil the role of Moshiach ben David. The important thing is that he ascended to heaven and was not buried, and is hanging out with Enoch, Eliyahu ha-Navi, and all the tzaddikkim throughout the ages who God decided to keep with him until the end of times. While I’m on the subject if anyone manages to read this far on my post, there are two resurrections described in the scriptures. Because of this a lot of you Christians have some very strange rapture ideas. Something like that WILL happen EVENTUALLY as it is God’s will that none of his children will have to die, but we have much work before that. Moshiach will come and will raise the righteous 99-100% of which will take place in Israel and will raise our forces by summoning the righteous throughout the generations. At some ambiguous point AFTER we win, then the whole weird fire and brimstone, new world being formed, everyone on Earth being resurrected and judged stuff can happen.
    shlomogordon said this on January 16, 2011 at 12:22 am | Reply
    • shalom shlomo
      Can you explain the 2 resurrections? thanks.
      Marianne said this on January 16, 2011 at 1:23 am | Reply
      • Since there are so many prophecies sometimes we automatically group the resurrection ones together. But there are some inconsistencies, which clear up when it’s understood there are two sets. One is simply Moshiach returning and raising up his forces- in some places it says the righteous, especially in Israel, will be raised from the dead. This will happen first, it will be quite the sight (thousands to millions being raised), but it will be dwarfed by the latter. The former happens in a recognizable Earth, while the righteous in Israel are still fighting the Madhi/AntiMessiah.
        God’s Mercy is so great that his ultimate will is for all of his children to live again. This is where we get the more “out there” end-times prophecies, quadrillions being resurrected, the Earth being purged by fire and a new one being built. It is very hard to picture this kind of existence. Some say this will happen after a thousand years of Messianic reign… it’s nice to know that it will happen but I’m personally more concerned with the former. Any day now Moshiach is going to appear and I’m probably going to be one of the few people in Israel to recognize him.
        shlomogordon said this on January 16, 2011 at 9:25 am | Reply
  36. Hi Marianne
    I just noticed this discussion. Trinity question is a complicated one and here are some of my thoughts. Jeshua said me and my Farther are one. Who has seen me has seen my Farther. He also used of himself the same word which HaShem used of himself to Moses, I am. Tanach is calling Jeshua with the names arm and right hand of HaShem. Ps 77:15:”Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph. (Refering that Ephraim and Manasse, both also sons of Jacob, are Christian)” Isaiah 48:13 :”Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens. When I call unto them, they stand up together. You cannot separate an arm from a person. That is one person.
    I am composed of an innumerable number of cells and body parts. They all are alive as long they are attached to me. Torah explains that the soul is in the blood and the blood is soul. Any part of my body dies as soon as it is separated from my soul.
    Jesus commanded his deciples to be one and one with Him. His church is one as long His spirit flows thru all the members of the chuch. If it does not flow, the member is dead. When collecting deciples He said to one: Let dead bery their deads.
    We are one body in Christ He being the head, others having different body tasks to do.
    The signs of the times are also written in the stars. In Hebrew Jupiter is Melek(King) and Regulus(rightoeousness) is Zedek. When they are in conjunction in Lion we see Melkizedek. Jesus being a priest according to Melkizedek order he most likely was born at the time of this conjunction the 1st of Tishri 3 BC (= Sept. 11). At the same time
    in Virgo the sun was clothing the Virgin and moon was at her feet. A very strong sign that something is happening. Trinity is seen also there that Regulus is a triple star, one of them shining much brighter than two others.
    Once on the earth Jesus was a man but He was all the time filled with the Spirit of God. Everything He did was done by the Spirit and Power of God. Any man filled with the Spirit can do the same wonders. He also said that everything He has spoken was what Farther commanded Him to speak.
    One thing which might have mixed up Jewish thinking of Isaiah 53 is that the beginning of the book describes King of Kings and the rest tells why. The lasta part tells the Jews that they are servants of God showing with examples of Jesus what it means. Only something like 1200-1300 Rabbis rejected this idea because it was a Christian teaching.
    Jews should not be converted to Christianity (Christians have combined too many pagan habits like celebrating Easter and Christmas for Ishtar and Tammuz with old pagan manners). They should only learn that their Massaiah, the son of Joseph lives and governs sitting on the God’s throne in Heaven having power to make laws in the world to promote the gathering of Israel. From there He has guided Israel into existance and given Israel miraculous military wins and organized so that based on international laws Israel has now full rights to all the land from river to the sea. Muslim propaganda lyes and wants to own that whole land and the West prefers to appese Arabs and have joined to their lies. Problem is that Israeli leaders don’t trust in HaShem and don’t even dare to demand their legal rights from the West.
    In Millenium Christians start following Torah and Jewish Fiests. Like from everywhere peoples come to celebrate Tabernacles to Jerusalem.
    Constellation Auriga (meaning the Shephard) shows how Taurus’ horn is wounding the heel of the Shephard Gen.3:15. More signs needed before Jews start calling Jeshua.
    Seppo said this on January 16, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Reply
  37. Brilliant Seppo, Malchitzedek was always one of the most mysterious characters in the Tanach to me. There are a few hints in the Torah that show some sort of hint of a pre-Yeshua part angel, part man, part God, immortal. Like you said, the Trinity is extremely complicated. פניאל, the face of God, in angel name form… that is the name Ya’aqov gives to the place where he fights the “man”
    In Ya’aqov’s prophecy at death he gives the best blessings to Yosef and Yehuda. This is the start of the tradition of Moshiach ben-David and Moshiach ben-Yosef. It seems from this that Yeshua will be called Shilo in round 2.
    Moses asks God not to send him and send (in the Hebrew it is extremely unclear, but interpreted as an angel.) Later on Moses sees God’s back. As God is incorporeal, it must be Moshiach.
    In Kabbalah the highest angel is understood to be Metatron, who even shares the throne of God. There are texts that talk about Kabbalists entering heaven with Merkava meditation before and after Yeshua. Some warn not to look at the hands or face of Metatron or one will become a heretic (see the scars from his cross and crown thorn). There is a famous story of 4 rabbis ascending, 1 dies, 1 goes crazy, 1 becomes a heretic, and the fourth is rabbi Akiva. My fellow Jews consider this to be a proof of the wisdom of Akiva (by the way he endorsed bar-Kochba as being the Messiah). My teacher and I see it the opposite: 1 wanted to stay in paradise, 1 couldn’t possibly rationalize what he saw, 1 decided to return and preach the Gospel, while Akiva either didn’t even make it to the same level of heaven or convinced himself that it didn’t happen to earn attention from the Jewish community. Moshiach ben Yosef (Yeshua) came from Judah to save Israel. Moshiach ben David (Shilo) will come from Israel to save Judah.
    I’m trying to do some of the work that God’s will necessitates in Israel, though missionary work is not the way, honoring God and leading by example is.
    Is there a website with the names of the stars and planets in ancient hebrew? I have Jupiter here as Tzedek… maybe Regulus is Malki? Today they just say regulus רגולוס lol.
    shlomogordon said this on January 17, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Reply
  38. Believe in Jesus with all of your heart, your soul, your mind and your strength because Jesus IS THE MESSIAH and he will be returning shortly. Many Jews will come back to Jesus. Jesus is doing many great and amazing things and will be calling many Jews back to him. God in the flesh, he is our Messiah and he loves us all! I love Jesus! :)
    Ghost Whisper 77 said this on March 15, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Reply
  39. Jesus is Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!
    l.V said this on June 23, 2011 at 9:52 am | Reply
  40. Dear the Jewish People,
    Yessuaha is the messiah the book of Revealations states that God will come and rule for a thousand years over Just not Israeal, but the whole erth this is know as the thousand year reing rapture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    William Haacke said this on August 16, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Reply
  41. The Jewish People have been spiritually blinded. Thus Yeshua spoke in parables, so that only the few with ears would hear. For if the Jews recognized Yeshua as King, the wedding feast would begin, and the gates closed to all without invitations.
    Yeshua suffered partially in the knowledge of what was to befall his people, the Jews. Both Yeshua and the Jewish People suffered in order to DELAY the wedding feast. Why was it to be delayed? In order to harvest the maximal number of souls to unite with Elohim! But what LEGAL reason was given for the delay? The Lost Tribes of Israel were promised that they would be returned from all the nations to which they had wandered. Thus the scattering of Israel, (The Northern Kingdom) was due to their sin, but served the purpose of an excuse to delay the wedding.
    Today, as there are more and more people leaving Churchianity; “making haste from Babylon”. A Torah Observant Messianic no-longer Lost Israelites, they are Messianic Israelites. And in parallel there are more and more Messianic Jews. But the most important occurrence is fulfillment of the entire plan: individuals from the nations deciding that Sunday Churchianity is false, and are recognizing themselves as engrafted Israelites.
    Three Groups:
    1. Messianic Jews
    2. No-longer Lost Israelites, eyes being opened by Ruah HaKodesh; Messianic Israelites. Eventually 1. and 2. will merge as in Ezekiel 37:15.
    3. Individuals engrafted via Yeshua. This group is the largest and represents the actual main harvest of this 6000 year plan.
    4. There will be remnants of the nations who are none of the above. They will still be obliged to obey the Commandments of Noah, and Succot.
    This entire plan was initiated in Gan Eden. (The Creator called His creation “Tov M’od”, serpent and all!)
    brian said this on August 26, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Reply
  42. New creator in Christ. QUESTION: WHAT DID CHRIST RECEIVE UPON FULFILLMENT OF PRINCIPLE OF SUBMISSION?
    Sherry said this on February 14, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Reply
  43. Sorry about the spelling ( should be new creature in Christ)
    Sherry said this on February 14, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • Welcome to the family of God, Sherry! : )
      “QUESTION: WHAT DID CHRIST RECEIVE UPON FULFILLMENT OF PRINCIPLE OF SUBMISSION?”
      1) Heavenly Father’s restoration – Jas 4:10
      2) Heavenly Father’s praise – Rom 2:29
      3) Official position as Author (High Priest) of eternal salvation – Heb 5:8-10
      4) Honorary Name above all names + knowledge that his submission had not been in vain – Php 2:7-16
      5) > 100-fold+ increase in houses, brothers, sister, mothers, children, lands, and eternal life – Mark 10:29,30
      There is probably more…
      Peace and blessings to you.
      45squared said this on February 14, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Reply
  44. you are looking for physical evidence not spiritual thats why you can’t see the truth
    ray herrera said this on July 11, 2012 at 8:18 am | Reply
  45. there is both physical and spiritual evidence of Jesus being the messiah.Jesus fulfilled over 400 prophecies of himself.now thats amazing
    ray herrera said this on July 11, 2012 at 8:22 am | Reply
    • hi ray
      this post was written for the Jews. they do not see the spiritual, as they are still blind, so we have to find ways to point out what they can see in the physical. I agree that Jesus has fulfilled many prophecies, and will complete all as fulfilled in the near future.
      Marianne said this on July 11, 2012 at 9:46 am | Reply
      • Amen, amen!! Even His disciples did not believe Jesus was the Messiah after His resurrection from the dead. Look at the two disciples who were going to Emmaus (Luke 24.13-35). Christ called them (Verse 25) “O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken. 26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27.And beginning at Mosses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.” For any sincere Jews who study the Old Testament without any reservation, can see Jesus is the Promised Messiah. There is a excellent debate on You Tube between Dr. Michael Brown and a Jewish Rabbi. I recommend any doubting Jews to watch it. God Bless.
        sam said this on February 22, 2014 at 2:23 am | Reply
  46. Just read..
    Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled In Jesus’ Life
    by Dave Arch
    There were two primary evidences which the apostles appealed to over and over again to establish the Deity and Messiahship of the Lord Jesus Christ. One was the fact of the resurrection and the other was the Old Testament prophecies which were fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ.
    Below is a listing of the prophecies written in the Old Testament and given to the Jewish nation so that they might be able to recognize their Messiah.
    I. THE ACTUAL PROPHECIES
    A. Concerning His Birth
    1. Born of the seed of woman (Genesis 3:15; Galatians 4:4; Matthew 1:20)
    2. Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:18, 24, 25)
    3. Son of God (Psalm 2:7; Matthew 3:17)
    4. Seed of Abraham (Genesis 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16) Here it is determined that the Messiah would be a Jewish descendant.
    5. Son of Isaac (Genesis 21:12; Luke 3:23,34) Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Now God eliminates one half of the lineage of Isaac.
    6. Son of Jacob (Numbers 24:17; Luke 3:23,34) Isaac had two sons, Jacob and Esau. Now God eliminates one half of the lineage of Isaac.
    7. Tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:23,33) Jacob had twelve sons and each became a tribe of the Hebrew nation. Now God eliminates eleven-twelfths of the lineage of Jacob.
    8. Family line of Jesse (Isaiah 11:1; Luke 3:23,32) Now God narrows it down even further by picking one family line out of the tribe of Judah.
    9. House of David (Jeremiah 23:5; Luke 3:23,31) Jesse had at least eight sons (I Samuel 16:10,11). Now God eliminates all of Jesse’s sons except one, David.
    10. Born at Bethlehem (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1) Now God eliminates all the cities in the world except one, Bethlehem.
    11. Presented with gifts (Psalm 72:10; Isaiah 60:6; Matthew 2:1,11)
    12. Herod kills children (Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16)
    B. Concerning His Nature
    13. His Pre-Existence (Micah 5:2; Colossians 1:17; John 1:1)
    14. He shall be called Lord (Psalm 110:1; Luke 20:41-44)
    15. He shall be called Immanuel (“God with us”) (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23)
    16. Shall be a prophet (Deuteronomy 18:18; Matthew 21:11)
    17. Shall be a priest (Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:5,6)
    18. Shall be a judge (Isaiah 33:22; John 5:30)
    19. Shall be a king (Isaiah 33:22; Matthew 27:37)
    20. Special anointment of the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:2; Matthew 3:16,17)
    21. He zeal for God (Psalm 69:9; John 2:15-17)
    C. Concerning His Ministry
    22. Preceded by a messenger (Isaiah 40:3; Matthew 3:1,2)
    23. Ministry to begin in Galilee (Isaiah 9:1,2; Matthew 4:12,13,17)
    24. Ministry of miracles (Isaiah 35:5, 6a; Matthew 9:35)
    25. Teacher of parables (Psalm 78:2; Matthew 13:34)
    26. He was to enter the temple (Malachi 3:1; Matthew 21:12)
    27. He was to enter Jerusalem on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9; Luke 19:35,36,37a)
    28. A “Stone Of Stumbling” to the Jewish nation (Psalm 118:22; I Peter 2:7)
    29. “Light” to the Gentiles (Isaiah 60:3; 49:6; Acts 13:47,48a)
    D. Concerning Events After His Burial
    30. His resurrection (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:31)
    31. His ascension (Psalm 68:18a; Acts 1:9)
    32. Seated at the right hand of God (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:3)
    E. Prophecies Fulfilled In One Day
    The following 29 prophecies from the Old Testament, which speak of the betrayal, trial, death and burial of Jesus, were spoken at various times by many different voices during the five centuries from 1000-500 BC, and yet all of them were literally fulfilled in one twenty-four hour period of time in Jesus’ life.
    33. Betrayed by a friend (Psalm 41:9; Matthew 10:4)
    34. Sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew 26:15)
    35. Money to be thrown down in God’s house (Zechariah 11:13b; Matthew 27:5a)
    36. Price given for potter’s filed (Zechariah 11:13b; Matthew 27:7)
    In the previous four prophecies we find in both prophecy and fulfillment the following:
    1. Betrayed
    2. By a friend
    3. For 30 pieces of silver (not 29)
    4. Silver (not gold)
    5. Thrown down (not placed)
    6. In God’s house
    7. Money used to buy potter’s field
    37. Forsaken by His disciples (Zechariah 13:7; Mark 14:50)
    38. Accused by false witnesses (Psalm 35:11; Matthew 26:59-61)
    39. Mute before accusers (Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 27:12-19)
    40. Wounded and bruised (Isaiah 53:5; Matthew 27:26)
    41. Smitten and spit upon (Isaiah 50:6; Micah 5:1; Matthew 26:67)
    42. Mocked (Psalm 22:7,8; Matthew 27:31)
    43. Fell under the cross (Psalm 109:24; John 19:17; Luke 23:26)
    44. Hands and feet pierced (Psalm 22:16; Luke 23:33)
    45. Crucified with thieves (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38)
    46. Made intercession for His persecutors (Isaiah 53:12; Luke 23:34)
    47. Rejected by his own people (Isaiah 53:3; John 7:5,48)
    48. Hated without a cause (Psalm 69:4; John 15:25)
    49. Friends stood afar off (Psalm 38:11; Luke 23:49)
    50. People shook their heads (Psalm 109:25; Matthew 27:39)
    51. Stared upon (Psalm 22:17; Luke 23:35)
    52. Garments parted and lots cast (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23,24)
    53. Suffered thirst (Pslam 69:21; John 19:28)
    54. Gall and vinegar offered Him (Psalm 69:21; Matthew 27:34)
    55. His forsaken cry (Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46)
    56. Committed Himself to God (Psalm 31:5; Luke 23:46)
    57. His bones not broken (Psalm 34:20; John 19:33)
    58. His heart broken (Psalm 22:14; John 19:34) The blood and water which came from Jesus’ pierced side are evidences that the heart had literally burst.
    59. His side pierced (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34)
    60. Darkness over the land (Amos 8:9; Matthew 27:45)
    61. Buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60)
    II. OBJECTIONS ANSWERED
    A. Fulfilled Prophecies Were Actually Written At Or After The Time Of Jesus
    Answer: If you are not satisfied with the date of 450 BC as the date of the Old Testament completion, then realize that the Greek translation of the Old Testament was completed in 250 BC.
    Therefore, it appears evident that there were at least 250 years between the time of the writing of the prophecies and their fulfillment in Jesus Christ.
    B. The Fulfilled Prophecy In Jesus Was Deliberate On His Part. He Knew The Old Testament Well Enough And Just Set Out To Fulfill All Of Them.
    Answer: This might seem possible until we realize that thee were many prophecies outside of His control, such as:
    1. Place of birth (Micah 5:2)
    2. Time of birth (Daniel 9:25; Genesis 49:10)
    3. Manner of birth (Isaiah 7:14)
    4. Betrayal
    5. Manner of death (Psalm 22:16)
    6. People’s reactions (Mocking, spitting, staring, etc.)
    7. Piercing of His side
    8. Burial
    C. The Fulfilled Prophecy In Jesus Was Coincidental, An Accident
    Answer: Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Chicago: Moody Press, 1963) determines the probability of one man fulfilling eight of the prophecies of the Old Testament for the Messiah to be 1 in 10 to the 17th power.
    Now let’s try to imagine what this means. If we took that many silver dollars (100,000,000,000,000,000) and laid them over the State of Texas, they would cover the state two feet deep. Now mark one of the silver dollars, stir the whole mass thoroughly, blindfold a person, and tell him/her that they can travel as far as they want but must pick up one silver dollar and say that it is the marked one. What chance would s/he have of picking up the right one? It would be the exact same odds of anyone fulfilling eight of the Messianic prophecies by chance alone.
    Peter Stoner then goes on to consider the possibility of any one person fulfilling 48 of the prophecies by chance. Here the odds jump to 1 in 10 to the 157th power. That number would look like this:
    1 out of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
    CONCLUSION
    “Remember the former things long past, for I am God, and there is no other: I am God and there is no one like Me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done; Saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.'”
    (Isaiah 46:9,10)
    “I declare the former things long ago and they went forth from My mouth, and I proclaimed them. Suddenly, I acted and they came to pass. Therefore, I declared them to you long ago, before they took place I proclaimed them to you, lest you say, ‘My idol has done them, and my graven image and my molten image have commanded them.'” (Isaiah 48:3,5)
    Evidence The Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell
    has been a primary source for the preparation of this paper.
    cy said this on July 31, 2012 at 5:53 pm | Reply
  47. Jesus fulfilled all Scripture referring to the deeds of the Messiah . The Church is the Body of Christ, the sustaining presence of Jesus Christ, as He gave His Flesh and Blood in Holy Communion, appearing in Eucharist and eaten by the Saints, who then Partake in the Divine Presence, confirmed by the Risen Christ appearing to the Saints and giving them the Holy Spirit to understand and carry out the Scriptural Deeds of Messiah as Christ said He would be with the Church to the very end of the Age, and in this Age, the Deeds of Christ are underway. Christ is God, who appeared in the flesh as one man, Jesus, but the Salvation Plan was to adopt all who come by Faith to be in the Corpus Christi, the actual Body of Christ, yet on the Earth , with all Consent of God to Power and Authority to do the Ministry of Christ until all is accomplished. Jesus became a One, and Gave Himself over to the Many, in a Spiritual Gift of God to bring together the People as One Body of Christ, and finishing all the Prophecy of Deeds that Messiah would do, but He begins Lowly as one man, then ends in Exultation as Many Saints, where Jesus is the Capstone, and the Saints are the building up of the Temple of Yahweh God, on Earth . The Corpus Christi ,the Mystical Body of Christ, where Jesus Christ is entering the world though the Church, and the Saints live a life where Jesus Christ , in the Holy Spirit and the Corpus Christi is appearing in the world, just as He was in His own life as one man, now He is in the midst of the Many Saints. The Church is Israel, and the Jews were always at war with Israel, since the times of the Books of the Kings, they rejected the House of David and caused the Lamentations , where the Law was no more. the Jewish People are not yet Israel , they were cut off, for a lack of belief in the Messiah, and their own idea of the Messiah is merely another Napoleonic figure, who ultimately would bring the wrong kind of Peace or Shalom, the kind that comes with War and Ruin , where the Lions and the Lambs can lie down together, because they are all dead, dead ,dead. Judah could not give us the Messiah , Judah is the one who sold Joseph as a slave to Egypt and then lied to Israel that Joseph was dead, showing a false testimony of blood on Joseph’s coat of many colors. Judah then abandoned Israel and intermarried with the Canaanites and God killed the wicked ones. Then Judah cannot be “Servant Israel” They cannot be the Branch or herald the Messiah . they need Salvation first of all. Zachariah 14 says ” On that day there will be no longer any Canaanite in the House of the Lord our God” That is a reference to the Jews, “Men of Judah” That they are the last to be purged of sin, which branded Judah an Oath Breaker to Abraham, who said “There will be no Almah from the Canaanites for my son” The Jews are a Stiff Necked People, and have always warred against Israel. When Jesus came into Jerusalem , it was the Gentile Israelites who hailed Jesus as Messiah , and the Pharisaic Jews of Babylon , in Jerusalem plotted to force the Sadducee High Priest to condemn Jesus, and thus destroy the hopes of Israel . The Jews , since the time they rejected the House of David, have been enemies of Israel, The Jews are not Israel, they are cut off, as Jesus Christ called them all “VIPERS”
    Carmine Fragione said this on November 6, 2012 at 6:43 am | Reply
  48. Carmine it must of been easy for your ancestors to have said about my ancestors when we were in Europe living in shtetls (Yiddish villages) being tormented by Christians pogrom after pogrom and the holocaust and being so far from the holiness of the temple era, or in Muslim countries being subjected to jizya (non-Muslim tax) and living as second class citizens. However this is just Christian doctrine which piled up as it had seen that God had forsaken his people. You have to accept that this is false as clearly God hasn’t, and in fact brought us back to Israel and saved us from our enemies, from a hand stronger than us. This is all despite the fact that over 99% of Jews living in Israel don’t believe in Yeshua. Now I’m in the less than a percent that do, but don’t think that that makes me a Christian. The real believers were Jews who believed in Yeshua and preached him until everyone in Israel was either in the minority of believers or the majority of deniers. They were so in denial even miracles wouldn’t convince them. So they took it outside of Israel since there was no one to preach to and lots of persecution of believers and went to Europe and Asia minor. They had much success- there were doctrinal debates about if you have to circumcise new believers but they decided with the help of the holy spirit that the circumcision of the heart was more important. Despite this, there were still several rules that they lay down even for new believers- obviously they wouldn’t burden a new believer with the entire Torah in one day. Constantine took advantage of this kind of reform and just took it all the way, got rid of the Torah completely and made an easy religion that everyone could accept. Say that you believe in Jesus and keep the same old pagan practices that you always kept! This is the starting of Catholicism, and what today is known as Christianity. Every believer, Jew or Gentile must transcend the lies of Constantine and walk the path of the first ones, those critical years between “Christ” and “Christianity.” And so my advice to you and all who believe that rubbish is to close the worn down part of your bible where all the pages are bent (the New Testament), though it is truth, and to read the part that still has that new book smell (the Old Testament). Then you will see that God will never leave his people.
    Read romans 11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11&version=NIV
    and Isaiah 54 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+54&version=NIV
    one of the most beautiful lines in the prophets
    4 “Do not be afraid; you will not be put to shame.
    Do not fear disgrace; you will not be humiliated.
    You will forget the shame of your youth
    and remember no more the reproach of your widowhood.
    5 For your Maker is your husband—
    the Lord Almighty is his name—
    the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
    he is called the God of all the earth.
    6 The Lord will call you back
    as if you were a wife deserted and distressed in spirit—
    a wife who married young,
    only to be rejected,” says your God.
    7 “For a brief moment I abandoned you,
    but with deep compassion I will bring you back.
    8 In a surge of anger
    I hid my face from you for a moment,
    but with everlasting kindness
    I will have compassion on you,”
    says the Lord your Redeemer.
    shlomogordon said this on November 11, 2012 at 6:29 am | Reply
    • shlomo
      Amen to that.
      Scripture also promises to bring back the Jews to Israel, put a new heart in them, and that they will never have to leave the land again.
      Marianne said this on November 11, 2012 at 11:16 am | Reply
    • Sholmo you are so right. The Christians have truly inherited lies from their ancestors, Jeremiah 16:19. They would do well ripping off two pages from all their bibles, the one that reads “Old Testament”, and the one that reads “New Testament” as those pages are added to scriptures and have brought about division and misunderstanding. The only new testament scriptures talk about is the one in Heb 8:10-12, which quotes Jer. 31:31-34. The New Testament is Torah written in the heart of Judah and Israel. The Gentiles are supposed to be grafted unto Israel, Rom 11.
      Shoshana said this on May 5, 2013 at 5:59 pm | Reply
  49. Yes Messiah comes in two trips, one as Moshiach Ben Yosef (already fulfilled) and the next one as Moshiach Ben David (the one Jews will recognize). The part Christians do not understand either is that as Moshiach (Messiah) Ben Yoseph He had to expand His Torah which He declared in Matthew 5. He did not come to do away with it as the Romanized church claims, to do so would deny His being the Messiah. There has been a woeful misinterpretation of the JEWISH scriptures because the Roman church not only has tried to replace Israel in its position as the assembly and bride of Messiah but it has changed the days and feasts of Yah and the image of the true Messiah making Him look and act like one of their many gods. More than anything that is why His Jewish brethren can’t recognize Him! Its about time the church rediscovers and truly follows the true Jewish Messiah rather than the one made in Rome. Then and only then will they cause jealousy in Jews.
    Shoshana said this on May 5, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  50. This is the most beautiful article I’ve ever read on this subject. So powerful and enlightening, and you had complete facts (not assumptions) backing every wors you said. I like a good open-minded writer, and you stayed open-minded in your facts. You didn’t just take your own beliefs and try to nake the pieces fit together to support those beliefs; you took the Bible for what it says and nothing more. I now have no doubt that Jesus was who he said he was. K’ve really been struggling with this subject until now. Thank you so much and God bless you!
    April said this on November 13, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Reply
  51. It has been clearly demonstrated to you that The Lord alone is God; there is none beside him. Know therefore this day and keep in mind that The Lord is God in heaven above and on earth below there is no other. And The Lord has given his good news to us, which was his own agreement and action. Look, publish and proclaim that the woman has given birth to the son. God stretched his mighty Arm down from heaven to earth to preserve humanity. The Lord is the Redeemer and the Messiah. God’s Word became a human being. Isaiah 9:6-7 says that the anointed child from the lineage of David is called mighty God, Eternal Father, and the prince of peace. A prince is also the King, and Yeshua the Mashiach had his name written above his head as king of the Jews, and in Ancient Roman times the Romans always wrote the names of the people that were to die by crucifixion. The Lord came to Jerusalem to buy back those in Israel who have turned back from sin. God had a plan to restore the kingdom of David, for God said that the dynasty of David was to be forever. And because God’s children were made of flesh and blood, he himself became a human being. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the arm and government of the devil who had the power of death. It is also written that God anointed himself as the Messiah and the oil of joy was on him more than on anyone else, see Psalm 45:7-8. Also, when spell out Yeshua in Hebrew, it is spelled with the Yod, shin, vav and the ayin. And the Yod means hand, work and worship. The shin means El shaddai, which means God Almighty. The vav means pillars, mountain, kingdom, add, rise, in the air and secured. The ayin means eye, presence and fountain, which is the good shepherd, private mediator, counselor and water supply. The Lord rebuilt the kingdom of David, when he rose from the grave. He resorted the tent of David so that humanity could be absorbed into the presence of God. The Messiah himself has brought peace to us. He united the Jews and the Gentiles into one people when, in his own body on the execution-stake, he broke down the wall of hostility that separated us. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups. Together as one body, Messiah Yeshua reconciled both groups to God by means of his own death on the execution-stake and our hostility toward each other was put to death. He brought this Good News of peace to the Gentiles who were far way from him, and peace to the Jews who were near. Now all of us can come to the Father through the same same Holy Spirit and revelation because of what Yeshua the Messiah has done for us.
    Yisrael said this on December 2, 2013 at 11:49 am | Reply
  52. Yes, Yahshua (Jesus in the Greek) of Nazareth is the Messiah. The ONLY Messiah. He warned about ‘false christs’ appearing and declaring to be him in the last days. -Deceiving and potentially even murdering/devouring people. He said: If you hear he is in this or that place: ‘Do not go out to them.’
    markdybee said this on March 9, 2014 at 7:05 pm | Reply
  53. really inspired and tough by the powerful inspirational messages
    . like to read more
    harudy.denem said this on April 5, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Reply
  54. I Believe That Jesus Did Fulfill The Scriptures!
    allen993 said this on August 15, 2014 at 10:43 pm | Reply
  55. Thank you for taking the time, and putting this together. It is well thought through, and I think even a Jew (such as me) can not dispute it.
    Beckie said this on May 26, 2015 at 8:16 pm | Reply

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